5.7L Gen III Hemi Engine Mysteries

The original hemispherical combustion chamber engine design was introduced with the FirePower name for 1951 model-year Chrysler and was rated at 180 hp. The history of the Hemi is filled with plenty of memorable highlights such as Richard Petty’s dominance at the 1964 Daytona 500 where he lapped the field.

As FCA (Fiat Chrysler Automobiles) recently celebrated “Hemi Day” on April 26, or 4/26, to honor the 426 cid Elephant Motor, we are reminded of the nearly 70 years of this iconic engine design that all started in 1950.

For many enthusiasts, the Chrysler/Dodge 6.4 HEMI V8 engine is one of the top engines in the SRT lineup today. Depending on the model, it produces nearly 500 horsepower and lb-ft of torque from the factory, and boasts outstanding towing capacity. Starting in 2007, Chrysler made it available as a crate engine, and in 2012 they introduced it to the production market. Alternatively known as the 392 or Apache HEMI, the 6.4 is one of the largest displacement gasoline engines currently available from Dodge’s lineup.

Today, we’re going to take an in-depth look at the 6.4 HEMI engine and find out what makes it such a special motor. It has long been regarded as extremely reliable while being capable of making monstrous power, and now we’re gonna break down why. This article will cover everything you need to know about the Chrysler/Dodge 6.4 HEMI engine. We’ll start with the history of HEMI, go over the 6.4 HEMI specs and applications, and then we’ll tackle the common problems and top mod upgrades for increased horsepower and torque. Let’s get started.

Dodge 6.4 HEMI History

As we’ve mentioned before, the creation of Chrysler’s HEMI engine is actually related to the Second World War. During the war, Chrysler produced two different HEMI-style engines for the U.S. Army. First was the AV-1790-5B, which was a V12 HEMI, and second was the XIV-2220, which was an inverted V16 HEMI. The Army used the V12 AV in the M47 Patton Tank and the V16 XIV inside the P-47 Thunderbolt aircraft. The XIV in particular made more than 2,500 horsepower and could reach speeds of over 500 mph.

Following the war, Chrysler developed the first generation of HEMIs for automobiles from 1951-1959. These included both inline-six and V8 configurations, and ranged from 240–392 cid in displacement. The second generation of Chrysler HEMI lasted from 1964-1971, you probably know it as the iconic 426 HEMI. This HEMI powered some of the nastiest NASCAR and muscle cars of the 1960s, making them some of the most sought out collector’s engines today. Some versions of the 426 HEMI have been modified to make more than 10,000 horsepower in Top Fuel racing applications.

The Third Generation of HEMI

That brings us to the third and current generation of the Chrysler HEMI engine. The Gen III HEMI began in 2003 with the release of the 5.7 HEMI inside the Ram trucks. Eventually, the 5.7 also found its way into performance sedans and muscle cars like the Charger/Challenger and 300C. In 2005, Chrysler released a bored version with 6.1 l of displacement, which was used for the high performance SRT-8 line, including the 300C, Magnum, and Charger/Challenger models.

The 6.4 HEMI

In 2007, the Chrysler engineers released a crate version of the 6.4 HEMI engine for racing enthusiasts. Though marketed as a 6.4 L, it had the same displacement as the Gen I 392 HEMI that lasted from 1957–1958, and was made in honor of the Gen I engine’s 50th anniversary.

For the 2012 model year, Chrysler and Dodge brought the 6.4 HEMI to the production market. Chrysler used it in the 300C, and Dodge put it inside the Charger and Challenger SRT-8s. Jeep also used a version of the 392 HEMI inside the Grand Cherokee SRT-8. Eventually, the engine also found its way into the Dodge Durango and Jeep Wrangler Rubicon and Wagoneer.

Starting in 2014, Dodge also put a version of the 6.4 inside the Ram 2500/3500 and Ram Chassis Cab 3500/4500/5500 trucks, where it is still currently available today. The engine is also still available inside the Rubicon and Durango, and also in the Charger and Challenger as part of the 392 HEMI or Scat Pack options. Also, for the final year of the 300C in 2023, Chrysler is making the 6.4 HEMI engine available as a limited option, where it was previously available from 2012-2014.

There have been rumors that Dodge is canceling the HEMI V8, but as of now they are still available for the 2023 model year.

Dodge 6.4 HEMI Engine Specifications

Engine Name 6.4 HEMI Engine Family Gen III HEMI Production Years 2007-Present Displacement 6.4 Liters (392 cid) Aspiration Naturally Aspirated Configuration 90° V8 Compression Ratio 10.0:1 (Truck); 10.9:1 (SRT) Bore and Stroke 103.9mm (4.09″) x 94.6mm (3.72″) Valve Train OHV, 16 Valve, VCT Fuel System Electronic Fuel Injection Head Material Aluminum Block Material Cast Iron Horsepower Output 360-485 horsepower Torque Output 430-475 lb-ft of torque

Chrysler 392 HEMI Vehicle Applications

The Chrysler 6.4 HEMI has appeared in the following vehicles:

  • 2012–2014; 2023 Chrysler 300C SRT-8
  • 2012–Present Dodge Challenger SRT-8; SRT 392; R/T Scat Pack
  • 2012–Present Dodge Charger SRT-8; SRT 392; R/T Scat Pack
  • 2012–2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8; SRT
  • 2014–Present Dodge Ram 2500/3500
  • 2014–Present Dodge Ram Chassis Cab 3500/4500/5500
  • 2018–Present Dodge Durango SRT
  • 2021–2022 Jeep Grand Wagoneer
  • 2021–Present Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 392

Chrysler 392 HEMI Engine Design Basics

The 6.4 HEMI is a 6.4 liter (392 cid) 90° V8 engine with aluminum cylinder heads and a cast iron, deep skirted cylinder block. Compared with traditional flat-topped motors, HEMI engines have hemispherical shaped combustion chambers, hence the name. HEMIs have both advantages and disadvantages, but for the most part they are known for being able to suck in lots of air and produce violent amounts of power.

Like other Gen III HEMIs, the 6.4 has cross-bolted main caps and the cylinders have a twin-spark plug design. The compression ratio sits at 10.9:1, and the engine is naturally aspirated. The redline reaches all the way to 6,400 RPM. Internally, the crankshaft is forged steel, the pistons are hypereutectic aluminum, and the connecting rods are powdered metal I-beam. The pistons also have oil-cooling jets to reduce cylinder temperatures and pressure. The bore and stroke are 103.9mm (4.09″) x 94.6mm (3.72″), making it essentially a stroked version of the 6.1 liter HEMI it replaced.

For the valvetrain, Dodge uses an old school overhead valve (OHV) pushrod design. There are 2 valves per cylinder, for 16 valves total. The intake valves are 2.14” and the exhaust valves are 1.65”, making them pretty large. The single camshaft has durations of 286° for intake and 288° for exhaust, with commensurate lifts of .571” for intake and .536” for exhaust. All 392 HEMI engines use variable camshaft timing (VCT), which adds power and improves fuel economy.

HEMI MDS and Manifolds

For all 6.4 HEMI engines with automatic transmissions, equipped is a Multi-Displacement System, also known as MDS, which pretty much everyone has hated. Essentially, MDS is cylinder deactivation technology to increase fuel economy and reduce emissions output. Previously, we looked in-depth with our 5.7 and 6.4 HEMI MDS Guide, so make sure to check that out for more information.

The intake manifold on the 6.4 HEMI engine is somewhat unique. It uses an “active runner” system, which means the ECU can vary the runner size to optimize horsepower and torque at each RPM and throttle range. The throttle body is 80mm, and the entire manifold is made from composite plastic instead of aluminum. The tubular exhaust manifold flows exceptionally well for a stock unit.

Depending on the model, Chrysler/Dodge first rated the Apache HEMI for 470 horsepower and 470 lb-ft of torque. In 2015, power improved to 485 horsepower and 475 lb-ft of torque inside the Challenger and Charger.

The Truck version of the 6.4 HEMI

In addition to the 392 HEMI found in the Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep Sedans and SUVs, there is also a version specifically for Ram Trucks. The engines are similar, but they are built and tuned more for low-end torque and towing than for high rpm performance and racing. When the truck version was introduced in 2014, it featured a reinforced block, known as a “Big Gas Engine” BGE block. This block proved superior and was eventually used in all 6.4 HEMI applications, even the non-truck versions.

Differences between the truck and non-truck Apache HEMIs include the intake manifold, which on trucks has a top-feed throttle body (instead of side-feed), and a lower compression ratio at 10.0:1. The pistons, rods, and valve sizes are all the same, but the camshafts are less aggressive. In addition, the exhaust manifold is cast iron on the truck versions, and is more restrictive.

Power output is also much lower on the truck versions. Power ranges from 366-410 horsepower and sits at 429 lb-ft of torque for all. However, as we mentioned, the truck versions were built more for towing and high load capacity. Inside the Ram trucks, the 6.4 HEMI has a towing capacity of more than 20,000 lbs, making it suitable for pretty much anything.

Dodge 6.4 HEMI Common Problems and Reliability

Overall, we consider the Chrysler/Dodge 6.4 HEMI engine to be a relatively reliable motor. While it has only been around in production form since the 2012 model year, it has performed exceptionally well since then. Especially considering the incredible amount of power and towing capacity the 392 HEMI is capable of, the fact that many have made it well past 100,000 miles is pretty remarkable.

However, the 6.4 HEMI does have a few underlying issues that have crept up for some owners. It’s not enough to call the engine unreliable or prone to problems, but it’s still important to mention them. The most common 392 HEMI problems are with the MDS, engine ticking, transmission failure, and misfiring.

Previously, we wrote a guide to the 4 most common 6.4 HEMI engine problems. We’re just going to summarize the issues here, so make sure to check out the guide for the full in-depth breakdown.

Most Common Dodge 6.4 V8 Problems

The most common 6.4 HEMI engine problems are:

  • The Chrysler MDS system
  • Engine ticking
  • Transmission failure
  • Misfiring

The first thing we’ll go over are the problems with Chrysler’s Multi-displacement system (MDS), more commonly known as cylinder deactivation. Some owners with high mileage (100,000+ miles) have reported problems with MDS solenoid failures. It’s not a widespread issue, but a few people have complained.

Engine ticking is a somewhat controversial issue, because some people will claim that the ticking is normal and not a problem at all. Others, however, point to faulty lifters and seized rollers as the issue. These are also problems on the 5.7 l HEMI, so it’s not just isolated to the 6.4 valvetrain.

Next is transmission failure, and this is another tricky issue, as it’s not with the engine itself. It’s mainly limited to the Ram 2500/3500 series, but some people have experienced issues with premature failure. It’s only a few reported failures, so again it’s certainly not a widespread issue.

The last thing we’ll bring up are spark plug misfires. This is another issue that also crept up on the 5.7 HEMI. Both engines use a twin-spark plug design, and they have been known to go through plugs fairly quickly. Making sure you keep up on timely maintenance is the best way to avoid spark issues on any HEMI.

Chrysler 6.4 HEMI Performance and Upgrades

Now let’s talk about the most important part of the 6.4 HEMI engine, the performance. Inside the SRT line, output peaks at 485 horsepower and 475 lb-ft of torque, making it quite formidable at the track and on the drag strip. On the other hand, inside the Ram Chassis Cab 5500, the 6.4 HEMI is rated to tow more than 21,000 lbs, showing it’s also quite capable of doing some serious work.

And while those are all pretty good numbers stock, with proper modifications the 6.4 HEMI can easily beat both of those numbers without breaking a sweat. Below, we’ll go over some of the top mods for the 6.4 HEMI to bring about the most horsepower and torque.

392 HEMI Upgrade Guides

The top 5 best 6.4 HEMI upgrades are:

  • Tune
  • Intake
  • Throttle body
  • Headers
  • Camshafts

The top 5 best 6.4 HEMI mods are tuning, upgraded intake, bigger throttle body, upgraded headers, and an upgraded camshaft. By far, the best bang for your buck is going to be tuning, which will add 5-15% power without any hardware modifications. It is a great mod for those looking to get some extra performance without any complicated installations.

Next up, an upgraded cold air intake for the 6.4 HEMI is a great mod. It will allow for increased airflow into the engine, and with tuning can add 5-15 horsepower. After an intake, a larger throttle body will allow for even more airflow into the engine, and it’s especially important for those with forced induction.

Upgraded 6.4 HEMI long tube headers are also one of the top mods available. They add as much as 35 wheel horsepower, while really opening up the HEMI to make it scream. More aggressive camshafts for the 6.4 HEMI are another solid mod. They can add more than 100 horsepower, and really allow you to build the engine how you want: prioritizing top end power or a beefy midrange.

Upgrading the 392 HEMI intake manifold will also net surprising gains. If you have a boosted Apache HEMI, upgrading the intake manifold is a great addition to a larger throttle body. The two together can add as much as 20 wheel horsepower, and really smoothen out the power band.

Finally, if you want to make more than 600 horsepower as cost effectively as possible, you’ll probably want to look at a 392 HEMI supercharger. Supercharging will easily add 100+ horsepower while keeping a mostly stock engine.

6.1 HEMI Info

The 6.1 HEMI is a 6.1-liter V8 naturally-aspirated gasoline engine debuted in the 2005 Chrysler 300C SRT-8. It's based on Chrysler's 5.7 HEMI V-8 engine. A lot of race-proven engine technologies were integrated to create the new SRT 6.1 HEMI with 425 horsepower and 420 ft-lb of torque. Production of 6.1L HEMI remained through 2010. During this period of time, this powerful Chrysler's 6.1L V8 was used in Dodge Challenger SRT-8, Charger SRT-8, Magnum SRT-8, and Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8. Let's take an in-depth look at the 6.1 HEMI engine design, its common problems, reliability, and longevity.

6.1 HEMI Engine Overview

The 6.1 HEMI cylinder block is different from the 5.7 version. The basic structure of a cast-iron deep-skirt engine block is redesigned with reinforced bulkheads and revised coolant channels. In order to increase the total displacement from 5.7 to 6.1 liters, engineers bored out the diameter of each cylinder by 3.5 mm. They also equipped engine blocks with oil squirters to cool the pistons for engine durability. The SRT 6.1 HEMI's crankshaft is forged steel. Redesigned connecting rods are made of higher-strength powder metal material. The engine uses larger-diameter flat-top pistons specified to handle increased compression ratio from 9.6:1 to 10.3:1.

The engine also received new cylinder heads. They feature ports design with larger cross-sectional areas. As a result, the new heads show 11% more flow in the intake and 13% more flow in the exhaust ports. Intake valves are 2 mm larger than the 5.7L engine, which also contributes to increased airflow. The 6.1 Hemi V8 got a billet steel high-strength camshaft with more overlap and lift, and tuned for higher engine speed operation close to 6,400 rpm. A noticeable difference between the 6.1 Hemi engine and 5.7 Hemi is it does not include variable camshaft timing (VCT) technology and Chrysler's Multi-Displacement System (MDS). The SRT 6.1 V8 also uses its own aluminum intake manifold with shorter, tapered, larger-diameter runners for high-speed tuning. Specially designed intake does not include variable-length technology found in some 5.7 V8s.

The SRT 6.1 HEMI engine is equipped with a conventional multi-port fuel injection system controlled by an ECU. Compared to the 5.7-liter version, fuel injector flow capacity is increased by 14% to cover higher engine speeds and airflow. However, the electronic throttle body is shared with the 5.7-liter HEMI. In addition to a high-performance intake system, SRT engineers also did a great job with engine exhaust. SRT 6.1L HEMI exhaust stainless steel headers adding 12 hp over stock 5.7-liter cast manifolds while maintaining fast catalyst light-off. Like other modern HEMI engines, the 6.1-liter version features two spark plugs with platinum tips and an individual coil for each cylinder.

Drawing the line, the SRT 6.1 HEMI engine meets EPA emissions standards and shows reasonable fuel economy, good reliability, and durability while making 25% more power (an additional 85 hp and 30 ft-lb of torque) than the 5.7 HEMI.

Engine Specs

Manufacturer
Chrysler, Saltillo Engine plant in Ramos Arizpe, Mexico
Production years
2005-2010
Cylinder block material
Cast iron
Cylinder head material
Aluminum
Fuel type
Gasoline
Fuel system
Sequential multi-port fuel injection
Configuration
V
Number of cylinders
8
Valves per cylinder
2
Valvetrain layout
OHV
Bore, mm
103.0 mm (4.06 in)
Stroke, mm
90.9 mm (3.58 in)
Displacement, cc
6,059 cc (370 cu in)
Type of internal combustion engine
Four-stroke, naturally aspirated
Compression Ratio
10.3:1
Power, hp
425 hp (318 kW)/6,000
Torque, lb ft
420 ft-lb (569 Nm)/4,800
Engine weight
-
Firing order
1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2
Engine oil weight
SAE 0W-40
Engine oil capacity, liter
6.6 l (7.0 qt) with oil filter
Oil change interval, mile
6,000 (10,000 km)/6 months
Applications
Chrysler 300C SRT-8, Dodge Magnum SRT-8, Dodge Charger SRT-8, Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8, Dodge Challenger SRT-8

Chrysler-Dodge 6.1 HEMI Common Problems and Reliability

Let's talk about how good the SRT 6.1 HEMI engine is. Start with the fact that the gen3 HEMI V8 engine family actually doesn't have many truly common problems or failures. But the 6.1 HEMI engine even has several advantages in terms of reliability over the 5.7 and 6.4 HEMI V8s, because of the lack of technologies, such as MDS and active intake system. Still, let's try to point out some of those most common problems, which don't necessarily affect a large percent of 6.1L HEMI V8s.

A Seized Lifter and Lifter Roller

This is fairly discussed on the Internet and a well-known problem that affects all modern HEMI V8 engines. At some point, usually around 70,000 to 120,000 miles, one or several lifter rollers in the valvetrain may seize because of lack of lubricant or other sorts of damages. Some believe problems with the lifters may lay in a bad design. A bad lifter touches the camshaft lobe and damages it, leaving lots of metal shavings in the engine oil. The most noticeable symptom of a bad 6.1 HEMI lifter is a ticking sound due to the metal on metal contact. But HEMI's "ticking" is often a typical sound for the 6.1-liter version as well, which makes it even harder to diagnose this issue. Misfiring, check engine light, and more violent sounds make the problem more obvious. Unfortunately, at this stage, you will already need expensive repairs requiring a replacement of the camshaft, lifters, timing chain, and probably more parts.

SRT 6.1 Ignition Complexity

To be clear, the ignition system isn't a real problem, it's something you just need to be aware of. The 6.1 HEMI uses 16 spark plugs, leaving a lot of room for error. If you're having misfires on the 6.1 HEMI, don't overlook a simple spark plug replacement. If pushing HEMI hard, spark plugs will likely last about 30,000-40,000 miles.

Chrysler-Dodge 6.1 HEMI Reliability Summary

Is the Chrysler-Dodge 6.1 HEMI engine reliable? Summarizing all of the above, now we can answer this question. No doubt, yes, it is a good, reliable engine. The SRT 6.1 HEMI is a great engine that offers a good balance of performance and much above-average reliability. Keep it well maintained, and this honestly American V8 will last up to 300,000 miles (500,000 km) easily.